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The Jesus Factor & Crusader George Burning Bush
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Harlow
2004-04-29 22:49:55 UTC
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The Jesus Factor
Apr. 29, 2004 at 9.00 pm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

As an evangelical Christian,
President Bush has something in
common with the 46 percent of
Americans who describe themselves
as being "born again" or having a
personal relationship with Jesus
Christ. Often has the president
recounted praying about major
decisions facing the nation--but
what do we actually know about the
rudiments of George Bush's faith?
To what extent do the president's
spiritual beliefs impact or influence
his political decision-making?
And how closely do Bush's religious
views mirror those of the country's
burgeoning--and politically
influential--evangelical movement?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/

Following the broadcast, explore FRONTLINE's
Web site which offers more about George W.
Bush's born-again Christianity and the impact that
it has had on his political career, including:

[] Extended interviews with Bush advisers, political
analysts, evangelical Christian leaders, and
historians and observers of the evangelical world;

[] Analysis and readings on religion's role in public
life, the religious vote in the 2004 election; and
John Kerry's Catholic faith;

[] Plus, the opportunity to view online "The Jesus
Factor" in streaming video.
view press release
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html

***************

Acharya S wrote:

This message is an update regarding some of the work I've been able to
achieve of late. First, Paranoia magazine has published an all-new
article of mine entitled, "Jesus the Globetrotter: The Myth of the
'Lost Years.'" This article addresses the myths/legends of Jesus in
India and Britain. Below are some excerpts. Paranoia's URL is
[<http://www.paranoiamagazine.com>] and the issue is #32. The article
is about 9 pages long and has fascinating material for those who are
interested in this subject. The subtitles include:

The Groovy Guru
The Many Tombs of Jesus
Buddhist Propaganda
The Bodhisattvas
Jesus the Druid
The "Lost Years" are Astrotheological"

Following are excerpts:

Over the centuries, the claim has repeatedly been made that Jesus
Christ not only walked the earth but also spent his early and
post-crucifixion years in a variety of places, including Egypt, India,
Great Britain, Japan and America. Indeed, traditions maintain that
Jesus, the great godman of the West, lived, learned, loved and died in
such places. Popular modern literature also purports that Jesus sired
children, who then became the ancestors of various royal families of
Europe, including France and/or elsewhere, depending on the author.
This allegation is extremely convenient and useful for said European
royal families. Unfortunately for the European claimants, however,
India also has a tradition that Jesus went there and likewise fathered
children. So too does Shingo, Japan, allege that Jesus ended up there
after the crucifixion, having children with a Japanese wife. Other
tales depict Jesus "walking the Americas" or bopping about Glastonbury,
England, with his "uncle," Joseph of Arimathea. Not all of these tales
can be true, obviously, unless Jesus is polymorphous and
phantasmagoric, a perspective that in reality represents that of the
mythologist or mythicist. To wit, regardless of these fables, or,
rather, because of them, the most reasonable conclusion regarding Jesus
and where he may or may not have been is that he is a mythical
character, not a historical personage who trotted the globe...

By calling Issa "Jesus" or "Christ," modern writers have cemented in
the readers' minds that the correlation is absolute, an erroneous
conclusion. In reality, the name "Issa," "Isa" or "Isha" is a title
and simply means "lord," "god" or "master," often referring to the
Indian god Lord Shiva: "'Isha' or 'the Lord' is another name of Siva..."
(Prajnanananda, 19) Furthermore, Prof. Nunos de Santos says, "...a god
variously named Issa, Isha, Ichtos, Iesus, Ieshuah, Joshuah, Jesus,
etc., is indisputably originally from India." He also states, "Ishvara
(Ishwar) is widely worshipped in the Far East, being also called Isha
(or Ishana) in India, Issara in Pali, Isuan in Thai, Jizu (or Jizai) in
Japanese, and so on."...

Concerning the British gods, Capt states that the Druidic trinity was
composed of three "Beli" (cf. the Semitic Baal, Bal or Bel).
Interestingly, "Yesu" (also "Hesus") was the name of the Druid "coming
Saviour of the future." (Capt, 9, 10) Capt then naively remarks,
"Druidism thus anticipated Christianity and pointed to the coming
Saviour under the very name by which Christ was called." In reality,
Christianity copied and incorporated countless elements of numerous
religions within the Roman Empire and beyond. Moreover, per the
Catholic missionary Huc, who traversed India, Tibet and other parts of
Asia, "Yesu" was also a name of the expected avatar of the Hindu god
Vishnu, of which Krishna was an avatar...

[end excerpt] Acharya S [<http://www.truthbeknown.com>]
John Carrick
2004-04-29 23:33:07 UTC
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On 29 Apr 2004 15:49:55 -0700, ***@k.st (Harlow) wrote:
All evangelical Christians are to a serious degree demented,
.
vonroach
2004-04-30 12:15:47 UTC
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Post by John Carrick
All evangelical Christians are to a serious degree demented,
.
Along with other members of the human race. Odd you hadn't noticed
before now.
Harlow
2004-05-03 21:44:52 UTC
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Post by vonroach
Post by John Carrick
All evangelical Christians are to a serious degree demented,
.
Along with other members of the human race. Odd you hadn't noticed
before now.
Walpurgisnacht (BELTANE)
Celebrating the Seasons
Lore and Rituals by Selena Fox

Beltane

Also known as May Eve, May Day, and Walpurgis Night, happens at the
Beginning of May. It celebrates the height of Spring and the flowering of life.
The Goddess manifests as the May Queen and Flora. The God emerges as the
May King and Jack in the Green. The danced Maypole represents Their unity,
with the pole itself being the God and the ribbons that encompass it, the
Goddess. Colors are the Rainbow spectrum. Beltane is a festival of flowers,
fertility, sensuality, and delight.

Prepare a May basket by filling it with flowers and goodwill and then
give it to someone in need of healing and caring, such as a shut-in or
elderly friend. Form a wreath of freshly picked flowers, wear it in your
hair, and feel yourself radiating joy and beauty. Dress in bright colors.
Dance the Maypole and feel yourself balancing the Divine Female and Male
within. On May Eve, bless your garden in the old way by making love with
your lover in it. Make a wish as you jump a bonfire or candle flame for
good luck. Welcome in the May at dawn with singing and dancing.

Sacred Time
Going A-Maying -- Bringing in the May -- Merry-making and Nature
communion. * Midpoint between Spring Equinox and Summer Solstice. * In
Pagan Rome, Floralia, from April 27-May 3 was the festival of the Flower
Goddess Flora and the flowering of Springtime. On May 1, offerings were
made to Bona Dea (as Mother Earth), the Lares (household guardian spirits),
and Maia (Goddess of Increase) from whom May gets its name. * Roman Catholic
traditions of crowning statues of Mary with flowers on May 1 have Roman
Pagan roots. * Marks the second half of the Celtic Year; one of the four
Celtic Fire Festivals. Complement to Samhain, it is a time of divination
and communion with Fairy Folk/Nature Spirits. * Pastoral tradition of turning
sheep, cows, other livestock out to pasture. * In Pagan Scandinavia, mock
battles between Winter and Summer were enacted at this time. * Building
on older tradition of this time being a holiday for the masses, in the
twentieth century, May Day has been a workers' holiday in many places.
* Some say that Mother's Day, in the USA, Mexico, and elsewhere has Pagan
roots.

Maypole
Forms include pole, tree, bush, cross; communal or household; permanent
or annual. * In Germany, Fir tree was cut on May Eve by young unmarried
men, branches removed, decorated, put up in village square, guarded
all night until dance occurred on May Day. * In England, permanent Maypoles
were erected on village greens * In some villages, there also were smaller
Maypoles in the yards of households. * Maypole ribbondances, with two circles
interweaving; around decorated bush/tree, clockwise circle dances.

Flowers--Greenwood
Gathering and exchange of Flowers and Greens on May Eve, pre-dawn May
Day, Beltane. * Decorating homes, barns, and other buildings with Green
budding branches, including Hawthorn. * Making and wearing of garland wreaths
of Flowers and/or Greens. * May Baskets were given or placed secretly on
doorsteps to friends, shut-ins, lovers, others. * May Bowl was punch (wine
or non-alcoholic) made of Sweet Woodruff blossoms.

Beltane Fires
Traditionally, sacred woods kindled by spark from flint or by friction
-- in Irish Gaelic, the Beltane Fire has been called teine eigin (fire
from rubbing sticks). * Jump over the Beltane Fire, move through it, or
dance clockwise around it. * Livestock was driven through it or between
two fires for purification and fertility blessings. * In ancient times
Druid priests kindled it at sacred places; later times, Christian priests
kindled it in fields near the church after peforming a Christian church
service. * Rowan twigs were carried around the fire three times, then hung
over hearths to bless homes. * In the past, Beltane community fire purification
customs included symbolic sacrifice of effigy knobs on the Beltane Cake
(of barley) to the fire, or, in medieval times, mock sacrifice of Beltane
Carline (Hag) who received blackened piece of Beltane Cake; Maypoles in
Spain were each topped with a male effigy which was later burned. Contemporary
Pagans burn sacred wood and dried herbs as offerings in their Beltane fires.

May Waters
Rolling in May Eve dew or washing face in pre-dawn May Day dew for
health, luck, beauty. * Getting head and hair wet in Beltane rain to bless
the head. * Blessing springs, ponds, other sacred waters with flowers,
garlands, ribbons, other offerings. * Collecting sacred waters and scrying
in sacred springs, wells, ponds, other waters.

Sacred Union--Fertility
Union with the Land focus, often with actual mating outside on the
Land to bless fields, herds, home. * May Queen (May Bride) as personification
of the Earth Goddess and Goddesses of Fertility. * May King (May Groom)
as personification of Vegetation God, Jack-in-Green -- often covered in
green leaves. * At Circle Sanctuary, in addition to May Queen -- May
King, is May Spirit Couple, an already bonded pair. * Symbolic Union of
Goddess and God in election/selection, crowning, processional, Maypole
dance, feast. * Morris Dancers and pageants (with Hag -- Jack-in-Green)
to awaken the fertility in the Land. ---Selena Fox

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&q=BELTANE
Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
2004-05-05 01:26:58 UTC
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Many self-referential recording
devices with forward autonomous
motion in time, i.e. space, transcend
politics effortlessly, while
disengenuous demagogues
deteriorate daily.
Post by Harlow
Post by vonroach
Post by John Carrick
All evangelical Christians are to a serious degree demented,
.
Along with other members of the human race. Odd you hadn't noticed
before now.
Walpurgisnacht (BELTANE)
Celebrating the Seasons
Lore and Rituals by Selena Fox
Beltane
Also known as May Eve, May Day, and Walpurgis Night, happens at the
Beginning of May. It celebrates the height of Spring and the flowering of life.
The Goddess manifests as the May Queen and Flora. The God emerges as the
May King and Jack in the Green. The danced Maypole represents Their unity,
with the pole itself being the God and the ribbons that encompass it, the
Goddess. Colors are the Rainbow spectrum. Beltane is a festival of flowers,
fertility, sensuality, and delight.
Prepare a May basket by filling it with flowers and goodwill and then
give it to someone in need of healing and caring, such as a shut-in or
elderly friend. Form a wreath of freshly picked flowers, wear it in your
hair, and feel yourself radiating joy and beauty. Dress in bright colors.
Dance the Maypole and feel yourself balancing the Divine Female and Male
within. On May Eve, bless your garden in the old way by making love with
your lover in it. Make a wish as you jump a bonfire or candle flame for
good luck. Welcome in the May at dawn with singing and dancing.
Sacred Time
Going A-Maying -- Bringing in the May -- Merry-making and Nature
communion. * Midpoint between Spring Equinox and Summer Solstice. * In
Pagan Rome, Floralia, from April 27-May 3 was the festival of the Flower
Goddess Flora and the flowering of Springtime. On May 1, offerings were
made to Bona Dea (as Mother Earth), the Lares (household guardian spirits),
and Maia (Goddess of Increase) from whom May gets its name. * Roman Catholic
traditions of crowning statues of Mary with flowers on May 1 have Roman
Pagan roots. * Marks the second half of the Celtic Year; one of the four
Celtic Fire Festivals. Complement to Samhain, it is a time of divination
and communion with Fairy Folk/Nature Spirits. * Pastoral tradition of turning
sheep, cows, other livestock out to pasture. * In Pagan Scandinavia, mock
battles between Winter and Summer were enacted at this time. * Building
on older tradition of this time being a holiday for the masses, in the
twentieth century, May Day has been a workers' holiday in many places.
* Some say that Mother's Day, in the USA, Mexico, and elsewhere has Pagan
roots.
Maypole
Forms include pole, tree, bush, cross; communal or household; permanent
or annual. * In Germany, Fir tree was cut on May Eve by young unmarried
men, branches removed, decorated, put up in village square, guarded
all night until dance occurred on May Day. * In England, permanent Maypoles
were erected on village greens * In some villages, there also were smaller
Maypoles in the yards of households. * Maypole ribbondances, with two circles
interweaving; around decorated bush/tree, clockwise circle dances.
Flowers--Greenwood
Gathering and exchange of Flowers and Greens on May Eve, pre-dawn May
Day, Beltane. * Decorating homes, barns, and other buildings with Green
budding branches, including Hawthorn. * Making and wearing of garland wreaths
of Flowers and/or Greens. * May Baskets were given or placed secretly on
doorsteps to friends, shut-ins, lovers, others. * May Bowl was punch (wine
or non-alcoholic) made of Sweet Woodruff blossoms.
Beltane Fires
Traditionally, sacred woods kindled by spark from flint or by friction
-- in Irish Gaelic, the Beltane Fire has been called teine eigin (fire
from rubbing sticks). * Jump over the Beltane Fire, move through it, or
dance clockwise around it. * Livestock was driven through it or between
two fires for purification and fertility blessings. * In ancient times
Druid priests kindled it at sacred places; later times, Christian priests
kindled it in fields near the church after peforming a Christian church
service. * Rowan twigs were carried around the fire three times, then hung
over hearths to bless homes. * In the past, Beltane community fire purification
customs included symbolic sacrifice of effigy knobs on the Beltane Cake
(of barley) to the fire, or, in medieval times, mock sacrifice of Beltane
Carline (Hag) who received blackened piece of Beltane Cake; Maypoles in
Spain were each topped with a male effigy which was later burned. Contemporary
Pagans burn sacred wood and dried herbs as offerings in their Beltane fires.
May Waters
Rolling in May Eve dew or washing face in pre-dawn May Day dew for
health, luck, beauty. * Getting head and hair wet in Beltane rain to bless
the head. * Blessing springs, ponds, other sacred waters with flowers,
garlands, ribbons, other offerings. * Collecting sacred waters and scrying
in sacred springs, wells, ponds, other waters.
Sacred Union--Fertility
Union with the Land focus, often with actual mating outside on the
Land to bless fields, herds, home. * May Queen (May Bride) as personification
of the Earth Goddess and Goddesses of Fertility. * May King (May Groom)
as personification of Vegetation God, Jack-in-Green -- often covered in
green leaves. * At Circle Sanctuary, in addition to May Queen -- May
King, is May Spirit Couple, an already bonded pair. * Symbolic Union of
Goddess and God in election/selection, crowning, processional, Maypole
dance, feast. * Morris Dancers and pageants (with Hag -- Jack-in-Green)
to awaken the fertility in the Land. ---Selena Fox
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&q=BELTANE
Chuck
2004-04-30 00:07:58 UTC
Permalink
Hhhmm, how come the Liberal-Left is strangely quiet on Islamic
Fundamentalist terrorists?
Post by Harlow
The Jesus Factor
Apr. 29, 2004 at 9.00 pm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
As an evangelical Christian,
President Bush has something in
common with the 46 percent of
Americans who describe themselves
as being "born again" or having a
personal relationship with Jesus
Christ. Often has the president
recounted praying about major
decisions facing the nation--but
what do we actually know about the
rudiments of George Bush's faith?
To what extent do the president's
spiritual beliefs impact or influence
his political decision-making?
And how closely do Bush's religious
views mirror those of the country's
burgeoning--and politically
influential--evangelical movement?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/
Following the broadcast, explore FRONTLINE's
Web site which offers more about George W.
Bush's born-again Christianity and the impact that
[] Extended interviews with Bush advisers, political
analysts, evangelical Christian leaders, and
historians and observers of the evangelical world;
[] Analysis and readings on religion's role in public
life, the religious vote in the 2004 election; and
John Kerry's Catholic faith;
[] Plus, the opportunity to view online "The Jesus
Factor" in streaming video.
view press release
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
***************
This message is an update regarding some of the work I've been able to
achieve of late. First, Paranoia magazine has published an all-new
article of mine entitled, "Jesus the Globetrotter: The Myth of the
'Lost Years.'" This article addresses the myths/legends of Jesus in
India and Britain. Below are some excerpts. Paranoia's URL is
[<http://www.paranoiamagazine.com>] and the issue is #32. The article
is about 9 pages long and has fascinating material for those who are
The Groovy Guru
The Many Tombs of Jesus
Buddhist Propaganda
The Bodhisattvas
Jesus the Druid
The "Lost Years" are Astrotheological"
Over the centuries, the claim has repeatedly been made that Jesus
Christ not only walked the earth but also spent his early and
post-crucifixion years in a variety of places, including Egypt, India,
Great Britain, Japan and America. Indeed, traditions maintain that
Jesus, the great godman of the West, lived, learned, loved and died in
such places. Popular modern literature also purports that Jesus sired
children, who then became the ancestors of various royal families of
Europe, including France and/or elsewhere, depending on the author.
This allegation is extremely convenient and useful for said European
royal families. Unfortunately for the European claimants, however,
India also has a tradition that Jesus went there and likewise fathered
children. So too does Shingo, Japan, allege that Jesus ended up there
after the crucifixion, having children with a Japanese wife. Other
tales depict Jesus "walking the Americas" or bopping about Glastonbury,
England, with his "uncle," Joseph of Arimathea. Not all of these tales
can be true, obviously, unless Jesus is polymorphous and
phantasmagoric, a perspective that in reality represents that of the
mythologist or mythicist. To wit, regardless of these fables, or,
rather, because of them, the most reasonable conclusion regarding Jesus
and where he may or may not have been is that he is a mythical
character, not a historical personage who trotted the globe...
By calling Issa "Jesus" or "Christ," modern writers have cemented in
the readers' minds that the correlation is absolute, an erroneous
conclusion. In reality, the name "Issa," "Isa" or "Isha" is a title
and simply means "lord," "god" or "master," often referring to the
Indian god Lord Shiva: "'Isha' or 'the Lord' is another name of Siva..."
(Prajnanananda, 19) Furthermore, Prof. Nunos de Santos says, "...a god
variously named Issa, Isha, Ichtos, Iesus, Ieshuah, Joshuah, Jesus,
etc., is indisputably originally from India." He also states, "Ishvara
(Ishwar) is widely worshipped in the Far East, being also called Isha
(or Ishana) in India, Issara in Pali, Isuan in Thai, Jizu (or Jizai) in
Japanese, and so on."...
Concerning the British gods, Capt states that the Druidic trinity was
composed of three "Beli" (cf. the Semitic Baal, Bal or Bel).
Interestingly, "Yesu" (also "Hesus") was the name of the Druid "coming
Saviour of the future." (Capt, 9, 10) Capt then naively remarks,
"Druidism thus anticipated Christianity and pointed to the coming
Saviour under the very name by which Christ was called." In reality,
Christianity copied and incorporated countless elements of numerous
religions within the Roman Empire and beyond. Moreover, per the
Catholic missionary Huc, who traversed India, Tibet and other parts of
Asia, "Yesu" was also a name of the expected avatar of the Hindu god
Vishnu, of which Krishna was an avatar...
[end excerpt] Acharya S [<http://www.truthbeknown.com>]
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